Vrindavan is around 50 sq km. That’s the size given of Goloka Vrindavan. 50 sq km. So we think, “Oh, that’s not big at all.” And in one part of the soil of Vrindavan ”is all the material universes, all the Vaikunta-lokas, Dwarakas - everything is there occupied in one small part of that soil of Vrindavan that’s 50 square kilometers. - So we can understand, they’re not ordinary kilometers and neither are the inhabitants there. So do not let the simplicity of Vrindavan deceive us.